Luftflotte 4 Composition

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Luftflotte 4 Composition

Post by IV/JG7_4Shades » Sat Jan 05, 2013 7:50 pm

I think we need to summarize our data here ...
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Post by WTE_Ikey » Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:53 am

finding specifics for that period & area of battle difficult but Yogybar @ 12 o' clock high did OOB here http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthrea ... 742&page=2
Edited now shows Yogybars units red ,& date/location/plane from Luftwaffe Units @ http://www.asisbiz.com/Luftwaffe-Units.html

Re: Aerial Battles around Kiev October 1943

Stab/JG51 (Fw190)
Jan 1944 - 4 Apr 1944 Bobruisk Bf 109G
I/JG51 (Fw190)
Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Orscha Fw 190A, Bf 109G
III/JG51 (Fw190)
Oct 1943 - Jan 1944 Orscha Bf 109G
IV/JG51 (Me109)
Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Orscha Bf 109G
II/JG54 (Fw190)
Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Shitomir Fw 190A
5., 6., 12./JG54 (Fw190A-4,5,6)
Stab, II,III / KG3 (Ju88 )
Stab Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Kalinowka Ju 88A
II Sep 1943 - Dec 1943 Orscha-Süd Ju 88A
III Aug 1943 - Jan 1944 Münster-Handorf Ju 88A
KG4 (He111)
Stab Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Puchowitschi He 111H
I. Gruppe 3 Nov 1943 -6 Feb 1944 Sarabus & Nikolayev He 111H
II. Gruppe 3 Sep 1943 - 1 Dec 1943 Orscha-Süd He 111H
III. Gruppe Oct 1943 - 8 Dec 1943 Puchowitschi He 111H
I, II / KG53 (He111)
I. Gruppe: Sep 1943 - Dec 1943 Kowno He 111
II. Gruppe:
24 Oct 1943 - 22 Nov 1943 Rotmistrowka He 111
22 Nov 1943 - 5 Dec 1943 Winnitsa He 111
SG77 (Ju87, Fw190F)
Stab: Nov 1943 - Jan 1944 Kalinowka VIII. Fliegerkorps Ju 87D
I. Gruppe: Nov 1943 - Jan 1944 Shitomir VIII. Fliegerkorps Ju 87D
II. Gruppe: Oct 1943 - 2 Mar 1944 Kalinowka VIII. Fliegerkorps Fw 190F/G
III. Gruppe: Nov 1943 - Dec 1943 Kalinowka Ju 87D
NSGr.4 (Doppeldecker)
Stab: & 1. Staffel: Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Nowy Dwor
2. Staffel: Oct 1943 - Nov 1943 Usin
" " Nov 1943 - Dec 1943 Biala-Zerkwa
Aircraft used: Fw 58, Fw 189, He 46, Ar 66, Go 145, Hs 126, Si 204, W.34, Ju 87(Began converting to Ju 87 from Jun 1944) and Do 17.

Transporter (Ju52, Me323)
dt. Aufklärer (Fw189, Me109)
ung.Stuka-Staffel (Ju87D)
ung.Bomber-Staffel (Ju88 )
ung.Nahaufkl.-Staffel (Fw189)
ung. Fernaukl.-Staffel (Ju88 )

with the following numbers of planes in PF:
Ju88: 84
He111H: 160
Bf109G4: 23
Bf109G6: 17
Fw190A-4: 34
Fw190A-5: 55
Fw190A-6: 41
Ju87D3: 43
Ju87D5: 36
Ju87G: 4
Fw189: 32
Fiat DoDe: 30
Ju52: 40
Me323: 6
Storch: 30
SUMME: 635
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Post by II/JG54_Emil » Sun Jan 06, 2013 3:52 pm

According to http://www.ww2.dk/ Yogibärs numbers are not correct neither for October and not for December:
For the fighter, ground attack and bomber units the composition of aircraft is wrong and there are units missing for the theatre.

It should more look like this:
JG51 (Fw190)
Stab/JG51 (Fw190)
Dec 1943 unknown; Jan 1944 - 4 Apr 1944 Bobruisk
7x Fw 190A-4
8x Fw 190A-5
I/JG51 (Fw190)
Dec 1943 Orscha
9x Fw 190A-4
13x Fw 190A-5
12x Fw 190A-6
III/JG51 (Fw190)
Dec 1943 - Jan 1944 Orscha
14x Fw 190A-4
6x Fw 190A-5
17x Fw 190A-6
IV/JG51 (Me109)
Dec 1943 - Dec 1943 Orscha Bf 109G
2x Bf 109G-4
22x Bf 109G-6
15. (span.)/JG51
12.43 - 26.3.44 Bobruisk
10x Fw 190A-3
Pz.Jg.Sta./JG51/14./SG9
10.43 Witebsk / 1.44 Nikolayev
9x Hs 129B-2

JG52 (Bf 109G)
II/JG52 Bf 109G
12.43 - 20.2.44 Bagerowo/Baherove
40x Bf 109G-6
III/JG52 Bf 109G
24.9.43 - 15.10.44 Nowo-Zaporoshye
4x Bf 109G-4
20x Bf 109G-6

JG54 (Fw190)
Stab/JG54 (Fw190)
12.43 - 14.2.44 Orscha
2x Fw 190A-5
3x Fw 190A-6
I/JG54 (Fw190)
12.43 - 1.44 Orscha
11x Fw 190A-4
8x Fw 190A-5
14x Fw 190A-6
II/JG54 (Fw190)
Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Shitomir Fw 190A
5., 6., 12./JG54 (Fw190A-4,5,6)
4x Fw 190A-4
7x Fw 190A-5
3x Fw 190A-6

KG3 (Ju88)
Stab/KG3 Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Kalinowka Ju 88A
3x Ju 88A-4
II/KG3 Sep 1943 - Dec 1943 Orscha-Süd Ju 88A
30x Ju 88A-4
2x Ju 88A-14

KG4 (He111)
Stab Oct 1943 - Dec 1943 Puchowitschi He 111H
3x He 111H-16
I. Gruppe 3 Nov 1943 -6 Feb 1944 Sarabus & Nikolayev He 111H
21x He 111H-16
3x He 111H-6
2x He 111H-11
II. Gruppe 3 Sep 1943 - 1 Dec 1943 Orscha-Süd He 111H
on 1.44 27x He 111H-16
1x He 111H-14
III. Gruppe Oct 1943 - 8 Dec 1943 Puchowitschi He 111H
33x He 111H-16
KG27
Stab 9.43 - 1.44 Kirowograd He 111H
1x He 111H-16
III. Gruppe 9.43 - 1.44 Kirowograd He 111H
22x He 111H-16
14.(Eis)/KG27 12.43 - 9.3.44 Kalianowka He 111H
11x He 111H-16
KG51
II. Gruppe
28.11.43 - 4.1.44 Kalinovka (VIII. Fliegerkorps) Ju 88A
16x Ju 88A-4
5x Ju 88A-14

KG53 (He111)
Stab 5.12.43 - 16.1.44 Rauchowka He 111
4x He 111H-16
1x He 111H-14
I. Gruppe: 12.43 - 22.2.44 Proskurow He 111
29x He 111H-16
2x He 111H-14
II. Gruppe: 5.12.43 - 16.1.44 Rauchowka He 111
24x He 111H-16
III. Gruppe: 5.12.43 - 25.1.44 Puchwitschi/62 km SE of Minsk He 111
42x He 111H-16
KG55 (He111)
I. Gruppe: 8.12.43 - 27.12.43 Terespol He 111H
20x He 111H-16
III. Gruppe: 9.12.43 - 27.12.43 Terespol He 111H
2x He 111H-11/R1
4x He 111H-16
18x He 111H-11
8x He 111H-16
14. (Eis)/KG55: 23.10.43 - 13.2.44 Pervomaisk-Golta
January 1944 12x He 111H-16

StG2 (He111)
II. Gruppe 11.43:
1x Ju 87D-1
8x Ju 87D-3
9x Ju 87D-5

SG1 (He111)
Stab: 10.43 - 26.2.44 Polozk 4. Flieger-Division Ju 87
1x Ju 87D-3
4x Ju 87D-5
I. Gruppe: 10.43 - 18.3.44 Bobruisk 1. Flieger-Division Ju 87
22x Ju 87D-3
19x Ju 87D-5
II. Gruppe: 18.10.43 - 15.2.44 Orscha 4. Flieger-Division Ju 87
6x Ju 87D-3
22x Ju 87D-5
III. Gruppe: 10.43 - 1.44 Bobruisk 1. Flieger-Division Ju 87
35x Ju 87D-5
10.(Pz)/SG1: 1.44 - 2.4.44 Orscha 4. Flieger-Division Ju 87G
2x Ju 87D-3
5x Ju 87G-1

SG2 "Immelmann" (He111)
Stab: 10.43 - 12.3.44 Nowo Krassnoje I. Fliegerkorps Ju 87
3x Ju 87D-5
I. Gruppe: 10.43 - 15.3.44 Pervomaisk I. Fliegerkorps Ju 87
7x Ju 87D-3
21x Ju 87D-5
II. Gruppe: 10.43 - 1.3.44 Bagerovo I. Fliegerkorps Fw 190, Hs 123
7x Fw 190A-4/5
23x Fw 190F-3
10x Hs 123B-1
III. Gruppe: 10.43 - 14.3.44 Pervomaisk I. Fliegerkorps Ju 87
5x Ju 87D-3
25x Ju 87D-5
1x Ju 87G-1
10.(Pz)/SG2: 10.43 - 18.3.44 Pervomaisk I. Fliegerkorps Ju 87G
5x Ju 87G-1
III/SG3 (He111)
III. Gruppe: 11.43 - 12.4.44 Karankut Ju 87D
13x Ju 87D-3 5 2 3 - 1 - - 1 - 17
21x Ju 87D-5

IV/SG3 (He111):
IV. Gruppe: 18.10.43 - 1.44 Ukraine
Gruppenstab IV.(Pz)/SG9:
4x Hs 129B-2
10. Staffel: 10.43 - 1.44 Kiev
9x Hs 129B-2
11. Staffel:
-
12. Staffel:
8x Hs 129B-2
13. Staffel:
14x Hs 129B-2
14. Staffel:
9x Hs 129B-2

SG77 (Ju87, Fw190F)
Stab: 10.43 - 11.43 Wassilkow VIII. Fliegerkorps Ju 87D
1x Ju 87D-3
3x Ju 87D-5
I. Gruppe: 11.43 - 1.44 Shitomir VIII. Fliegerkorps Ju 87D
1x Ju 87D-1
13x Ju 87D-3
26x Ju 87D-5
II. Gruppe: 10.43 - 2.3.44 Kalinowka VIII. Fliegerkorps Fw 190F/G
5x Fw 190F-2
25x Fw 190F-3
III. Gruppe: 11.43 - 12.43 Kalinowka Ju 87D
17x Ju 87D-3
23x Ju 87D-5
10.(Pz)/SG77: 10.43 - 1.44 Orscha Ju 87D/G
1x Ju 87D-1
2x Ju 87D-3
4x Ju 87G-1

Fighter Air-Craft Total:
10x Fw 190A-3
45x Fw 190A-4
7x Fw 190A-4/5
44x Fw 190A-5
49x Fw 190A-6
5x Fw 190F-2
48x Fw 190F-3
6x Bf 109G-4
82x Bf 109G-6
10x Hs 123B-1

Groundattack Air-Craft Total:
53x Hs 129B-2
3x Ju 87D-1
97x Ju 87D-3
211x Ju 87D-5
15x Ju 87G-1

Bombers Total:
22x He 111H-11
3x He 111H-6
4x He 111H-14
261x He 111H-16
49x Ju 88A-4


NSGr. 4 Aircraft used: Fw 58, Fw 189, He 46, Ar 66, Go 145, Hs 126, Si 204, W.34, Ju 87 and Do 17
numbers unkown
NSGr. 5 Aircraft used: Ar 66, Do 17, Fi 156, Fw 58, Fw 189, He 46, Hs 126, Ju 87, Si 204, W.34 and Go 145
numbers unkown
NSGr. 6 Aircraft used: Fw 58, Fw 190, Go 145, and from 9.44 Ju 87
numbers unkown
NSGr. 7 Aircraft used: He 46, Hs 126, Ju 87, Ca.314, Do 17, CR.42 (mainly Croatian pilots)
numbers unkown
NSGr. 8 Aircraft used: Fw 58, Fw 190, Go 145, and from 9.44 Ju 87
numbers unkown




Transporter (Ju52, Me323)
dt. Aufklärer (Fw189, Me109)
ung.Stuka-Staffel (Ju87D)
ung.Bomber-Staffel (Ju88 )
ung.Nahaufkl.-Staffel (Fw189)
ung. Fernaukl.-Staffel (Ju88 )

Leaving the following planes from Yogibärs list:
Fw189: 32
Fiat DoDe: 30
Ju52: 40
Me323: 6
Storch: 30
SUMME: 635
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