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FUF Composition - 23 Dec 1943

Posted: Sat Jan 05, 2013 8:00 am
by IV/JG7_4Shades
Overall FUF Command: Army General Nikolai Vatutin

Korosten' Area
13th Army - Lieutenant-General Nikolai Pukhov
60th Army - Lieutenant-General Ivan Chernyakhovskii

Zhitomir Area
1st Guards Army - Colonel-General Andrei Grechko
18th Army - Colonel-General Konstantin Leselidze
1st Tank Army - Lieutenant-General of Tank Forces Mikhail Katukov
3rd Guards Tank Army - Colonel-General of Tank Forces Pavel Rybalko

Berdichev/Kazatin Area
38th Army - Major-General of Artillery Kirill Moskalenko
40th Army - Lieutenant-General Fillip Zhmachenko


FUF Estimated Order of Battle
11387 guns and mortars (excluding 50mm mortars)
1230 flak guns
297 rocket launchers
738 tanks
387 self-propelled guns
529 aircraft

Squad Leader Rarity Estimates of FUF Tank Composition (Warg)
353 x T34-76
272 x T-70M
56 x KV-1
56 x Sherman-75
Probably only 50% of these were operational at any time.

Squad Leader Rarity Estimates of FUF SPG Composition (Warg)
20 x ZSU-37
194 x SU-76M
68 x SU-85
103 x ISU-152
Probably only 50% of these were operational at any time.

Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:35 pm
by Faustnik
I've been looking up on American trucks ship to the USSR in 1941 up to 1945.

http://www.o5m6.de/Numbers.html

Do you think they were used in the area we discussed in the campaign?
There is a nice GMC heavy truck in the game now.

Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2013 11:49 pm
by Faustnik
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I found this chart in "Russian Tanks of Workd War II".

It does not have armored cars but, I have heard that BA-64 were used for recon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BA-64

:?:

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 10:17 am
by II/JG54_Emil
I found a book with quite good references to the battle we are aiming at.
Танки ведет Рыбалко - Шеин Д.В.
Tanks lead by Rybalko - D. Shein

Fighting the way the 3rd Guards Tank Army. - Moscow: Jauza, Penguin Books, 2007. - 320. -
(Red Army. Elite troops).
ISBN 978-5-699-20010-8
In this book there are very detailed numbers on the 3rd Guards Tank Army composition at different times but numbers of the rest of the army formations in the area!

3rd Guards Tank Army on December 22, 1943 (Google Translate p. 164-165):
Before the third decade of December(before the 20th of December), the 3rd Guards Tank Army received reinforcements, restored materiel, "made knocking together pieces" and units. Soviet troops were prepared to continue the offensive
operations. By December 22 the army had:

207 T -34 tanks,
28 T -70 tanks,
1 Valentine MK-7 tank and
8 Valentine MK-9 tanks
7 SU-152 self-propelled guns,
5 SU-122,
92 SU-85
16 85-mm anti-tank guns,
29 76.2-mm guns,
6 57-mm guns, 2445-mm gun,
62 37-mm anti-aircraft guns and
22 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun DShK,
64 120-mm and
108 82-mm mortars
9573 active soldiers

The general state of the tank fleet army on December 24, 1943 goes as follows:
432 T-34
31 T-70
31 KV
29 MK
4 M4-A2
7 SU-76
119 SU-85
11 SU-122
14 SU-152
http://www.nnre.ru/istorija/tanki_vedet_rybalko/p6.php

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 12:41 pm
by II/JG54_Emil
Another credible source is naming the following numbers:
http://www.feldgrau.net/forum/viewtopic ... 55&t=33014
On 1st January 1944

1st Gds Army - 42 tanks (17 heavy, 25 medium), 9 SPGs

13th Army - 142 tanks (34 heavy, 108 medium), 59 SPGs

18th Army - 15 tanks (15 heavy)

27th Army - 4 tanks (4 heavy)

38th Army - 18 tanks (8 heavy, 10 medium), 7 SPGs

40th Army - 42 tanks (17 heavy, 25 medium), 9 SPGs

60th Army - 93 tanks (83 heavy, 9 medium, 1 light), 13 SPGs

1st Tank Army - 306 tanks (2 heavy, 303 medium, 1 light), 50 SPGs

3rd Gds Tank Army - 213 tanks (1 heavy, 190 medium, 22 light), 12 SPGs

Front troops - 95 tanks (91 medium, 4 light), 95 SPGs

Total - 951 tanks (172 heavy, 742 medium, 37 light), 245 SPGs
Also this Orbat is worth looking at:
http://www.testofbattle.com/phpBB2/view ... hp?p=45205
1st Ukrainian Front - General Armii N.F. Vatutin

1st Guards Army - General-Polkovnik A.A. Grechko
11 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor I.T. Zamertsev
-- 271 Rifle Division - Polkovnik V.M. Lepantovich
-- 276 Rifle Division - Polkovnik T.U. Grinchenko
-- 316 Rifle Division - Polkovnik N.P. Okhman
94 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor I.I. Popov
-- 30 Rifle Division - Polkovnik V.P. Yankovskiy
-- 99 Rifle Division - Polkovnik I.M. Bogdanov
-- 350 Rifle Division - General-Mayor G.I. Vekhin
107 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor D.V. Gordeev
-- 127 Rifle Division - Podpolkovnik V.I. Katrich
-- 304 Rifle Division - Polkovnik M.M. Muzykin
-- 328 Rifle Division - Polkovnik I.G. Pavlovskiy
93 Seperate Tank Brigade - Mayor S.K. Doropey (T-34, T-70)
1831 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik A.K. Kulikov (SU-152)

18th Army - General-Polkovnik K.N. Leselidze
22 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor F.V. Zakharov
-- 129 Guards Rifle Division - General-Mayor S.M. Bushev
-- 317 Rifle Division - Podpolkovnik N.T. Zherdienko
52 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor F.I. Perkhorovich
-- 71 Rifle Division - Polkovnik N.Z. Belyaev
101 Rifle Corps - General-Leytenant V.S. Golubovskiy
-- 117 Guards Rifle Division - Polkovnik T.I. Volkovich
-- 24 Rifle Division - General-Mayor F.A. Prokhorov
-- 389 Rifle Division - Polkovnik L.A. Kolobov
-- 12 Seperate Guards Tank Regiment Breakthrough - Podpolkovnik M.I. Il'yushkin (KV-85)
-- 1812 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor G.A. Plaksin (SU-76)

38th Army - General-Leytenant K.S. Moskalenko
17 Guards Rifle Corps - General-Leytenant A.L. Bondarev
-- 68 Guards Rifle Division - General-Mayor V.F. Stenin
-- 211 Rifle Division - Polkovnik V.L. Makhlinovskiy
-- 241 Rifle Division - General-Mayor P.G. Arabey
-- 309 Rifle Division - Polkovnik G.G. Vdovin
21 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor E.V. Bedin
-- 100 Rifle Division - Polkovnik P.T. Tsygankov
-- 107 Rifle Division - General-Mayor P.M. Bezhko
-- 135 Rifle Division - Polkovnik F.N. Romashin
-- 155 Rifle Division - Polkovnik I.V. Kaprov
74 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor F.E. Sheverdin
-- 70 Guards Rifle Division - General-Mayor I.A. Gusev
-- 183 Rifle Division - Polkovnik L.D. Vasilevskiy
-- 237 Rifle Division - General-Mayor F.N. Parkhomenko
-- 305 Rifle Division - Polkovnik A.F. Vasil'ev
7 Seperate Guards Tank Regiment Breakthrough - Podpolkovnik P.Yu. Korbut (KV-85)
9 Seperate Guards Tank Regiment Breakthrough - Podpolkovnik N.D. Mel'nik (KV-1S)
39 Seperate Tank Regiment - Podpolkovnik S.F. Pushkarev (T-34, T-70)

40th Army - General-Leytenant F.F. Zhmachenko
50 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor S.S. Martirosyan
-- 74 Rifle Division - Polkovnik M.D. Kuznetsov
-- 163 Rifle Division - Polkovnik F.V. Karlov
-- 240 Rifle Division - Polkovnik T.F. Yamanskiy
51 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor P.P. Avdeenko
-- 167 Rifle Division - General-Mayor I.I. Mel'nikov
-- 232 Rifle Division - General-Mayor M.E. Kozyr'
-- 340 Rifle Division - Polkovnik I.E. Zubarev

60th Army - General-Leytenant I.D. Chernyakhovskiy
18 Guards Rifle Corps - General-Mayor I.M. Afonin
-- 148 Rifle Division - General-Mayor A.A. Mishenko
-- 280 Rifle Division - General-Mayor D.N. Golosov
-- 351 Rifle Division - Podpolkovnik Ya.I. D'yachkov
15 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor I.I. Lyudnikov
-- 322 Rifle Division - Polkovnik P.N. Lashenko
-- 336 Rifle Division - Polkovnik M.A. Ignachev
23 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor N.E. Chyavakov
-- 8 Rifle Division - General-Mayor A.S. Smirnov
-- 147 Rifle Division - General-Mayor M.P. Yakimov
-- 226 Rifle Division - Polkovnik V.Ya. Petrenko
30 Rifle Corps - General-Mayor G.S. Laz'ko
-- 121 Rifle Division - General-Mayor I.I. Ladygin
-- 141 Rifle Division - Polkovnik A.Ya. Klimenko
59 Seperate Tank Regiment - Mayor A.A. Sheshukov (T-34, T-70)
1219 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor P.S. Berdnikov (SU-85)

3d Guards Tank Army - General-Leytenant P.S. Rybalko
6 Guards Tank Corps - General-Mayor A.P. Panfilov
-- 51 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik K.V. Mikhalev (T-34)
-- 52 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik V.G. Gusev (T-34)
-- 53 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik S.A. Vasiliyu (T-34)
-- 22 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade - Polkovnik N.L. Mikhaylov
-- 1442 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik A.D. Roshektaev (SU-85)
-- 1893 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik F.E. Basov (SU-76)
7 Guards Tank Corps - General-Mayor S.A. Ivanov
-- 54 Guards Tank Brigade - General-Mayor N.A. Moskal'chuk (T-34)
-- 55 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik A.S. Borodin (T-34)
-- 56 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik T.F. Malik (T-34)
-- 23 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade - Polkovnik A.A. Golovachev
-- 1419 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Polkovnik V.P. Zhmakin (SU-85)
-- 1894 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor G.V. Dubnya (SU-76)
9 Mechanized Corps - General-Mayor K.A. Malygin
-- 53 Tank Regiment / 69th Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik L.Kh. Darbinyan (Matilda Mk.II, Valentine Mk.III)
-- 229 Tank Regiment / 70th Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik M.D. Siyanin (Matilda Mk.II, Valentine Mk.III)
-- 74 Tank Regiment / 71st Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik V.V. Luppov (Matilda Mk.II, Valentine Mk.III)
-- 47 Seperate Guards Tank Regiment Breakthrough - Podpolkovnik A.I. Laptev (Churchill Mk.IV)
-- 1454 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor P.A. Mel'nikov (SU-85)
-- 1823 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor G.V. Chekmenev (SU-85)

1st Tank Army - General-Leytenant M.E. Katukov
11 Guards Tank Corps - General-Leytenant A.L. Getman
-- 40 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik N.G. Vedenichev (T-34)
-- 44 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik I.I. Gusakovskiy (T-34)
-- 45 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik N.V. Morgunov (T-34)
-- 27 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade - Polkovnik I.P. Elin
-- 293 Guards Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik P.F. Sil'chenko (SU-76)
-- 1535 Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik P.E. Krivovid (SU-152)
8 Guards Mechanized Corps - General-Mayor S.M. Krivoshein
-- 67 Guards Tank Regiment / 19th Guards Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik F.P. Lipatenkov (T-34, T-70)
-- 68 Guards Tank Regiment / 20th Guards Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik A.Kh. Babadzhanyan (T-34, T-70)
-- 69 Guards Tank Regiment / 21st Guards Mechanized Brigade - Polkovnik I.I. Yakovlev (T-34, T-70)
-- 1 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik V.M. Gorelov (T-34)
-- 354 Guards Heavy Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor G.V. Volkov (SU-152)
-- 1451 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik P.Ya. Pastukhov (SU-122)

4 Guards Tank Corps - General-Leytenant P.P. Poluboyarov
-- 12 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik N.G. Dushak (T-34)
-- 13 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik L.I. Baukov (T-34)
-- 14 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik V.A. Petrov (T-34)
-- 3 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade - Polkovnik M.P. Geonov

5 Guards Tank Corps - General-Leytenant A.G. Kravchenko
-- 20 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik S.F. Shutov (T-34)
-- 21 Guards Tank Brigade - Podpolkovnik P.F. Okhrimenko (T-34)
-- 22 Guards Tank Brigade - Polkovnik N.V. Koshelev (T-34)
-- 6 Guards Motorized Rifle Brigade - Podpolkovnik I.S. Chekunov
-- 1416 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik D.V. Mokhryakov (SU-76)
-- 1458 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik P.T. Titarenko (SU-76)
-- 1462 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Mayor G.G. Musatov (SU-85)

1 Guards Cavalry Corps - General-Leytenant V.K. Baranov
-- 1 Guards Cavalry Division - General-Mayor Yu.I. Ovar
-- 2 Guards Cavalry Division - Polkovnik Kh.D. Mamsurov
-- 7 Guards Cavalry Division - Polkovnik V.D. Vasil'ev
-- 230 Seperate Tank Regiment - Podpolkovnik D.A. Sherbakov (T-34, T-70)
-- 1461 Self-Propelled Artillery Regiment - Podpolkovnik G.E. Nikulin (SU-76)

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:09 pm
by II/JG54_Emil
both above sources combined would make the following:
1st January 1944
1st Gds Army - 42 tanks (17 KV, 25 T-34), 9 SU-152
13th Army - 142 tanks (34 KV, 108 T-34/T-70), 59 SPGs???
18th Army - 15 tanks (15 KV-85) ? (SU-76)
27th Army - 4 tanks (4 KV-1S/KV-85)
38th Army - 18 tanks (8 KV-1S/KV-85, 10 T-34), 7 SPGs???
40th Army - 42 tanks (17 KV, 25 T-34), 9 SPGs
60th Army - 93 tanks (83 KV-1S/KV-85, 9 T-34, 1 T-70), 13 SU-85
1st Tank Army - 306 tanks (2 KV-1S, 303 T-34, 1 T-70), 50 SU-122/SU-152
3rd Gds Tank Army - 213 tanks (1 Churchill Mk.IV, 190 Matilda Mk.II/T-34, 22 Valentine Mk.III), 12 SU-76/SU-85
Front troops - 95 tanks (91 T-34, 4 T-70), 95 SPGs
Total 1st January 1944
172 KV-1S/KV-85,
742 T-34,
37 T-70/Valentine MkIII,
951 tanks
245 SPGs
These numbers above are from 1st January 1944, just one week apart from 23rd Dec. 1943.
In the meantime lots of tanks were lost and some replaced.
But I think it´s a good approximate.

Compared with the earlier posted army fleet total composition from 24. dec. 1934:
24. dec. 1934
432 T-34
31 T-70
31 KV
29 MK
4 M4-A2
527 Tanks
7 SU-76
119 SU-85
11 SU-122
14 SU-152
144 SPGs
I´m not sure but I have the feeling that the numbers from the 2nd source are total numbers, incl. noncombat ready tanks.

951/527 Tanks 55.4%
245/144 Antitank SPG 58.77%

This correlates with Wargs 50% operational estimation. With the only difference that now there are more tanks than before, for the Soviets. :/

Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 3:17 pm
by II/JG54_Emil
And while I´m at it, here are 2 nice maps:

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Posted: Sun Jan 13, 2013 6:56 pm
by IV/JG7_4Shades
Fantastic!

I think we have enough orbat information now to design our campaign.

Great stuff Emil.

Cheers,
4S